NPR's Back-Seat Book Club
Fri October 28, 2011
Kids' Book Club: A 'Graveyard' Tour With Neil Gaiman
Originally published on Tue November 29, 2011 5:27 pm
Welcome to the first installment of NPR's Backseat Book Club! We've invited all of our younger listeners to join us for conversations with authors of kids' books. We kicked off the club with The Graveyard Book, a thrilling Halloween treat from Neil Gaiman that won the Newbery Medal in 2009. Gaiman loves Halloween and all the creepy fun that goes along with it.
"I think Halloween is the best possible festival celebration of any kind," he tells NPR's Michele Norris. "I love ghoulies and ghosties and long-legged beasties, and things that go bump in the night."
But just because Gaiman loves Halloween doesn't mean he loves horror — he'll write horror, he says, but only in moderation. Book club member Sarah Matthews, 14, wrote in to ask Gaiman how he made such a dark and creepy subject feel so approachable.
"I'll tend to use horror as a condiment," he explains, "in the way that you might add salt or ketchup to a meal. You just want to add a little to make it taste a little bit better, but you definitely don't want a meal that's all salt or all ketchup."
The Graveyard Book opens with a dash of horror: There was a hand in the darkness, and it held a knife ...
It's a murderous knife — one that has just killed the family of the protagonist the readers are about to meet. Gaiman was convinced this was not too much for kids, and that they would keep reading. "[I] wanted to make it very, very scary upfront, because it's never that scary again," Gaiman says.
And it's not. The young boy who escapes the knife toddles his way into a graveyard, where he's raised by ghosts.
When we asked young listeners to send us their questions about The Graveyard Book, many wrote in to ask how Gaiman dreamt up this imaginative story.
It began 25 years ago, Gaiman explains, when he and his family lived in "a very tall, spindly building." His son was 2 years old at the time and loved to ride his tricycle — but the building didn't have a yard or garden where he could play. So Gaiman used to take his son across the lane to a country churchyard — where there were gravestones that went back 800 years.
"He would just pedal his tricycle happily and run around in the little country graveyard," Gaiman recalls. "I remember just one day thinking: He looks so comfortable here. And it was as if a little door opened in my head."
Gaiman suddenly had the idea to write a book about a child raised in a graveyard. It would be sort of like Rudyard Kipling's The Jungle Book, in which an abandoned boy is raised by wild animals and taught all the things the animals know. The Graveyard Book, Gaiman decided, would be about a child "raised by dead people and taught all the things that dead people know."
Book club member Amelia Herron, 12, from Manchester, Mich., was curious how Gaiman might describe The Graveyard Book to someone who had never heard of it before.
Gaiman says he'd describe the book as eight short stories — each story taking place two years after the story before it. It follows the first 16 years of the life of young Nobody Owens — his friends call him Bod — who takes refuge in a graveyard after his family is killed. And though he's raised by dead people, Bod learns the value of life.
"In many ways, for me, The Graveyard Book was a book about life," Gaiman says. "Because you can talk about life and community and family in ways you might not have seen them described before."
Anna Jaffe, 11, from Cleveland, is reading the book along with her friend Sadie. They wrote in to say that their favorite character in the book so far is Silas — and wanted to know which character Gaiman liked best. Turns out, Silas is Gaiman's favorite, too.
"Writing Silas — who's not really alive and isn't really part of the Graveyard — was enormously fun for me," Gaiman says. "I think my favorite of the minor characters was probably a poet named Nehemiah Trot, just because writing his language was so much fun."
Many book club members said that they felt a strong connection to Bod and were curious to know what happens to him after he leaves the graveyard and enters the world of the living. But that's not a question that Gaiman wants to answer for his young readers.
"You should be continuing the story in your head when it's done," he says. "You should close that last page, but the characters keep on living. I love talking to young readers who have their own ideas about what happened to Bod after the story is over. ... Everything you need to know for the book is there in the last few pages. He has adventures."
Clarivel Ann Dinh from Ventura, Calif., was curious to know whether Bod would return to the graveyard when he died.
"I hope so," Gaiman answers. "It would be a good thing if he did. I think he'd really like that. ... The graveyard is his home and it's his childhood home, but I think he realizes that there comes a point — and everybody in the graveyard knows — there comes a point where you cannot keep a child in his or her childhood home anymore. You have to go out and have your adventures ... explore ... and discover life."
Next Month's Book Pick: In November, NPR's Backseat Book Club will read The Phantom Tollbooth, written by Norton Juster and illustrated by Jules Feiffer. The book was published in 1961 and five decades later, the story of the bored little boy named Milo who travels on a journey to the Lands Beyond still feels fresh. Read the book and join the conversation!
More Questions For Gaiman From NPR's Backseat Book Club
How did you come up with the ideas for the odd names for the characters in the story? — Michael Curtis, 11, York, Pa.
Truthfully, a lot of the best names in the book I actually got from headstones. Because of one of the things I tended to do while writing and researching The Graveyard Book is, I would go to graveyards, and just go and wander around there. I'd have tours of some of the great graveyards in the world — some in New Orleans, there's a wonderful one outside Glasgow, in Scotland. There's Highgate Cemetery in London, from which I stole the Egyptian walk that I put into the book. Every now and then, if I saw something on a headstone, a really good little epitaph or something, I would write it down. And I stole a lot of really good names, especially family names and first names, and then I'd sort of mix and match.
How did you manage to make such a morose topic so welcoming and light? I love to write stories that have a little bit of creepiness to them, but always manage to over-do it and turn it into a horror story. — Sarah Matthews, 14, Florence, Ala.
Gee, you definitely sound like you're a writer, Sarah ... The most important thing to concentrate on is telling the story. Make it interesting. In the case of The Graveyard Book, I loved turning ideas upside down, but I also loved being very, very honest with kids.
When I was a kid, I had to walk past a graveyard every day to get home from school — which was fine in the summer — but in the winter when we had to come home in the dark, it terrified me. I would've been 9, 10, 11 at this point. It never occurred to me that walking past this graveyard, there was absolutely nothing in it that was dead that could hurt me. The only thing that could ever have hurt me in that graveyard would've been something living. So I like the idea of putting that in my book. The idea of the graveyard as a welcoming place, it's a very natural place. You know, people have lived, people die.
How old is the Indigo man? — Lindsey Flemmons, 11, York, Pa.
Great question, Lindsey. I'd say the Indigo man is probably, he's definitely very, very much the oldest thing in the graveyard. Probably 10,000 to 12,000 years old. He was there before they were building Stonehenge. I like the idea that if you have the graveyard, you might have something that had been buried a long time ago — almost archaeological, and so he's the oldest thing in there.
It would be awesome if you could make a movie version of the book! We both really want a sequel! — Anna Jaffe, 11, Cleveland, who is reading along with her friend Sadie
The film rights to The Graveyard Book have been bought. Things are quietly chugging away in the background. When it comes to movies, I'm always very happy to wait to get it right ... I'm perfectly prepared to wait as long as it takes for a good Graveyard Book movie to come out.
A sequel is sort of a possibility, but not in the standard sense of: "Here's the next book of what happened to Bod. .... [But] every now and again, I have ideas for stories of things that happened to Bod during the course of The Graveyard Book that aren't mentioned: ... You learn what happened to Bod when he was 2 and 4 and 6 and 8 and 10 and 12 and 14, and I thought maybe I could go in and occasionally write a story of what happened to him when he was 9 or when he was 7.
I think that the other idea that I have in the back of my head is: I would love to do a bigger, stranger, more adult book that kind of begins with The Graveyard Book, in much the same way that The Hobbit leads you into The Lord of the Rings. Lord of the Rings really isn't a sequel to The Hobbit. It embraces it, and it takes it up, and it says: Some of the things you knew ... aren't actually so. I think I might well do one of those, but the trouble for me is always that there are so many books to write and only so much time.
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Today, we're introducing NPR's Back-Seat Book Club. It's a special segment for all the young folks out there who listen to our program along with their parents in cars or at the kitchen table. Every month, we're offering a special conversation with authors who write books for kids.
First up, a ghoulish Halloween treat called "The Graveyard Book" from the bestselling, award-winning author Neil Gaiman. He's a master of the macabre.
NEIL GAIMAN: I love ghoulies and ghosties and long-legged beasties, and things that go bump in the night. I think these things are wonderful, but I'm not a huge fan of horror. I'll tend to use horror as a condiment in the way that you might add salt or ketchup.
NORRIS: And yet, Gaiman uses horror to grab the reader from the very first page.
GAIMAN: It begins, there was a hand in the darkness, and it held a knife.
NORRIS: A murderous knife, a knife held by a man who snuck into an English home and killed an entire family, except for a baby who had wandered from his crib. Heavy stuff, but Gaiman was convinced kids could handle it.
GAIMAN: I was. But I also wanted to make it very, very scary up front because it's never that scary again.
NORRIS: But it is spooky and quirky and, yes, heartwarming. The young boy who escapes the knife toddles his way into a graveyard, where he winds up being raised by ghosts.
We asked for your questions about Neil Gaiman's "The Graveyard Book," and, boy, did our inbox fill up. Many of you just had to know how he conjured up such a story.
GAIMAN: Twenty - what - 25 years ago now, I lived in a very tall, spindly building, which had no kind of yard or garden. But it was just across the lane from a little country churchyard. And my son, who was about 2 years old at the point, loved his little tricycle more than anything in the world. And he couldn't really ride his tricycle around the house because the house was mostly stairs.
So each day, I'd take him across the lane, and he would just pedal his tricycle happily and run around in a little country graveyard, where, you know, you had stones going back 800 years. And I remember just one day thinking: He looks so comfortable here. And it was as if a little door opened in my head because I thought, you know, I could do a story about a kid who is raised in a graveyard, who lives in a graveyard.
And then I thought it would be like "The Jungle Book." In "The Jungle Book," you have a child who wandered into the jungle, is raised by wild animals, is taught all the things that wild animals know. Here I'd have a story about somebody raised by dead people and taught all the things that dead people know, and I'll call it "The Graveyard Book."
AMELIA HERRON: Hi, Mr. Gaiman. I'm a really big fan of "Coraline" and "The Graveyard Book." They're some of my all-time favorites. My name is Amelia Herron. I'm from Manchester, Michigan, and I'm 12 years old. And I have a question. How would you describe "The Graveyard Book" to someone who has never heard of it before, being the author?
GAIMAN: Good question, Amelia. "The Graveyard Book" is eight short stories, each one taking place about two years after the one before, that comprise the first 16 years of a young man who we come to know as Nobody Owens, and his friends call him Bod. Before the story starts, his family are killed, and he takes refuge in a graveyard. He's brought up in the graveyard, learns the things that dead people know, but also learns the value of life.
And in many ways, for me, "The Graveyard Book" was a book about life because you can talk about life and community and family in ways you might not have seen them described before.
ANNA JAFFE: Hi. My name is Anna Jaffe from Cleveland, Ohio.
SADIE BEGAN: Hi. My name is Sadie Began(ph) from Cleveland, Ohio. "The Graveyard Book" is fantastic. Who is your favorite character? Ours is Silas.
JAFFE: It would be awesome if you could make a movie version of the book.
ANNA JAFFE AND SADIE BEGAN: Bye for now, and keep writing. Love, Sadie and Anna.
NORRIS: Several exclamation points there.
GAIMAN: I love Silas. Writing Silas, who's not really alive and isn't really part of the graveyard, was enormously fun for me. I think my favorite of the minor characters was probably a poet named Nehemiah Trot, just because writing his language was so much fun for me.
UNIDENTIFIED MAN: (as Nehemiah Trot) Oh, I had my revenge, Master Owens, and it was a terrible one. I wrote and had published a letter, which I nailed to the doors of the public houses in London, where such low, scribbling folk will want to frequent. And I explained that, given the fragility of the genius poetical, I would henceforth write not for them but only for myself and posterity. And that I should, as long as lived, publish no more poems for them.
NORRIS: That was Nehemiah Trot, a poet from the 1700s. He's among the dead who help raise the little boy who lives in the graveyard.
Lindsey Flemmons wants to know how old is the Indigo Man?
GAIMAN: Great question, Lindsey. I'd say the Indigo Man is probably - he's definitely very, very much the oldest thing in the graveyard. Probably 10, 12,000 years old. He was there before they were building Stonehenge.
NORRIS: This is coming in from Michael Curtis. He writes in the middle of the day, so he explains that his fifth grade class is reading the book, and that's why he's on the computer when he isn't - when he should be...
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NORRIS: ...in the classroom. And he wants to know how you came up with the ideas for the odd names for the characters in your story. And the characters really do have wonderful names. Many of them just march across the tongue.
GAIMAN: Truthfully, a lot of the best names in the book, I actually got from headstones. Because one of the things I tended to do while I was writing and researching "The Graveyard Book" is I would go to graveyards. And every now and then, if I saw a - something on a headstone - a really good little epitaph or something, I would write it down.
NORRIS: A lot of our readers gave "The Graveyard Book" a thumbs up, so did the American Library Association. Back in 2009, it gave Neil Gaiman the Newberry Medal. And in his acceptance speech, he said that children's literature is the most important fiction of all because...
GAIMAN: I think it has the capacity to change people, to open their eyes. It's part of the growing process. I love the fact that these days, with "Coraline," I get adult women coming up to me who read "Coraline" when they were girls, saying that because she was brave, there were points in their life where they were brave like her. And they told themselves that they could be like her, and that got them through a hard part of their life. And I feel like I did something that I didn't mean to do, but that was big and important and changed things.
NORRIS: Neil Gaiman, it was a pleasure to talk to you. Thank you very much.
GAIMAN: Ah, thank you, Michele.
NORRIS: That was Neil Gaiman. We were talking to him about "The Graveyard Book."
And a huge thank you to all of NPR's Back-Seat Book Club members who wrote in with questions. To read more questions and Neil Gaiman's answers, head to npr.org.
A special thank you to teachers who got their classes to read the book and to email smart questions. Mr. Hastings' class, Ms. Martin's sixth grade class and Ms. Hathaway's fifth grade class. And also, Ms. Cackley's(ph) third grade class.
And now, book club members, a drum roll, please. Our book for November is "The Phantom Tollbooth," written by Norton Juster and illustrated by Jules Feiffer. Happy reading. And remember to write to Back-Seat Book Club at npr.org with those questions. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.